Saturday Jan 6 2007
According to pissed off now single Steve Horner it simply isn’t fair that ladies get into clubs for free while Joe Schmo is required to ante up a few bucks. What Steve doesn’t realize is that the entire concept, fair or not, makes for a better social environment for him, the straight male. Now he’s on the prowl for “ladies nights” across the state to make a stink about it and put a grinch like stop to this logical business concept.
A judged overlooked his bitterness and agreed life does suck for Steve. But I did the math: If he is discriminated against every five minutes and can sue for $500 each instance that’s potential earnings of $144,000 per day! Not bad. I’m signing up for his seminar.
I actually agree with the discriminatory nature, but being a gay male I could care less. I just think his unabashed spite is amusing.
Article: Proof Nightclub ladies nights drew rights complaint
By Katie Kerwin McCrimmon, Rocky Mountain News
January 6, 2007
A self-proclaimed “agitator” against feminism declared ladies nights at Colorado nightspots dead Friday after prevailing in the first stage of a civil rights complaint against the Proof Nightclub in southeast Denver.
Steve Horner learned Thursday that Colorado’s Division of Civil Rights for the Department of Regulatory Agencies sided with him in his complaint that men were unfairly having to pay cover charges and higher drink prices than women at the Proof’s ladies nights.
“Ladies night is now illegal,” said Horner, a 59-year-old corporate speaker, who says he’s been on an anti-feminist crusade since his wife left him with two young children several years ago.
While Horner claimed that all bars will have to cancel ladies nights, officials from the Department of Regulatory Agencies said their rulings only apply to the targeted business, in this case the Proof.
Wendall Pryor, director of the Regulatory Agency’s Division of Civil Rights, declined to discuss Horner’s complaint. He said confidentiality rules prevent him from talking about specific cases.
Documents show that in Horner’s case, the agency found there was probable cause that discrimination occurred. That means Horner and the Proof will have to go to mandatory mediation. If they can’t agree to a mediated solution, the case will go to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.
In the meantime, Horner plans to catch any club owners who continue to offer women special deals.
“This is now a violation of law. I will now make it a point to visit as many ladies nights as I can every week. I’ll have my rights violated, then I’ll sue them in county court and collect my $500 (the maximum penalty in county court for each incident of discrimination),” Horner said.
“I feel it could net me $3,000 to $4,000 a week easy, and I’m going to do it,” he added. “It takes me five minutes to be discriminated against.”
Karen Parker, one of the owners of the Proof, said the business “might have to change the way we do things.”
January 8th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
HI James,
I found it amusing that you proclaim yourself to be “gay” quite cavilierly but in reality you’re a sexually-depraved person who doesn’t have the gumption to fight evil temptation. therefore, whatever you say about me having the guts to spot and fight against double standards simply has no bearing on my battle.the fact is,I spotted a wrong and corrected it and the battle has sparked lots of controversy from women who feel entitled to favors which is everything contrary to the fundamental principles of early feminism,and from pussy-whipped men who feel as though they need to get a woman drunk before they can get lucky.For more visit stevehornerbooks.com. Steve Horner
January 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Hi Steve - thanks for commenting. I appreciate you taking note.
1. How do you know how depraved my sex is? Have you scoured the details of my personal life? I’ll humor you with specifics: I’ve been in a relationship with one person for more than five years. My life is stable and secure. Your wife walked out on you, and you’re currently trolling “ladies nights” around town causing trouble. If that’s not hypocrisy at it’s finest I don’t know what is. Where are your kids during this anyway?
2. Isn’t it rich that your site promotes your pontifications on family and child rearing, yet again, your wife left you? Doesn’t THAT speak volumes about your family skills and level of personal depravity?
Having visited the Civil Rights Museum in Memphis last year, and having walked with dozens of people silently absorbing the details of that harsh period of our history, I would NEVER toss around the words “discrimination” and “civil rights” around at such a frivolous issue as “ladies night” down at Drinky’s Tavern or wherever. It’s as innapropriate as our watering down of the word “Nazi” for use as a pejorative descriptive term.
Here’s a thought, if you can channel your spite into a logical path: Rather than crusading AGAINST women, why not fight FOR men? I’ll bet we agree on ONE annoying and overused scene on books and TV: It’s the way men are portrayed as incompentent boobs, failing miserably to do housework or cooking properly, and bumbling through life until the woman comes to help him. (And then grinning sheepishly to the screen while the wife takes pride in her dish soap). Why not address the positive contributions of good men, rather than meddle with private business owners and their patrons who CHOOSE to frequent their establishment?
I’d be more sympathetic if you TRULY felt your rights were violated. Instead you unabashadly admit to “picking a fight” with bars and clubs for financial gain. You’re not a male Gloria Steinem, nor are you a valiant gladiator for helpless women being loaded up and hauled off for free drinks.
Get over it. Your campaign is as weak as Al Bundy’s “No-Maam” group. But only half as funny.
January 8th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
Hey James! Who besides a 60 year old single man has the time for this? I don’t think I have ever been in a fight at a club, legal or otherwise. I just got to have fun. This guy Mr. Horner reminds me of the man at the end of our block were I grew up… always shaking his fist at as and screaming “get off my lawn you kids”! :)
January 8th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Anti-feminism? You do realize that feminism means equality, and equality would mean buying your own drinks, right? At least decide what you’re fighting against, you sad, bitter, divorced idiot.
January 9th, 2007 at 8:38 am
This guy Steve is a horrible example of ‘tolerance’. I’m not sure if he is a Christian or just some wannabe dogooder. Either way, he should find some better way to spend his time. Steve, go volunteer for a good cause, do something positive for ‘oppressed men’ instead of trolling nightclubs for drinks.
January 9th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
I’m tickled as can be that Ladies’Night pushes the buttons of pussy-whipped colorado men who feel as though they need to get a woman high in order to get laid and the over-coddled Colorado women who feel entitled to special favors even though they publicly preach a message of equality. Can you say, Hypocrite?
Lastly,it’s your hard-earned tax dollars that support the Governor appointed civil rights commission in Colorado and it’s those people,using your tax dollars, who have sided with me that Ladies’Night is not only discriminatory but sexist toward women as well because it pre-supposes that women need favors which,as I’ve stated above,is a premise of pussy-whipped Colorado gay guys. Arnold of California calls you “girly-men.” That fits well. Remember,no matter how you cut it, I win,you fools lose and I’m going to cash in on it,big time.Adios,chumps. Steve Horner
January 9th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Steve in disagreeing with your premise I’ve provided a conscientious discussion and even agreed on the general “male bashing” concept. You’ve simply called me names.
It’s more insulting to women to alude that they can’t make their own intelligent choices regarding their evening activities, and need a creepy sex-offender looking, balding, divorced man to monitor their lives. All while admitting you’re only in it for the snarky attention and money. How many Safeway floors have you “slipped” on?
You’re right - name calling is fun. Be sure to don your toupee and “Members Only” jacket before hitting the clubs, it’s been cold out.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
The princess privilege should be paying like everyone else… WHy should women be getting special treatment just because they have a vagina ?
And if you think feminism is about equal opprotunity, your in dream land. It’s purely about female supremacy.
Keep up the anti-feminist crusade and good luck.
January 9th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
When I e-mailed Steve about his one man’s anti-ladies night crucade ended up getting so agitated that he actually ended up calling me at HOME (can you say “psycho”?) and challenged me to a fight! As tempting as it was for me to meet this clown and give him the ass kicking he so very much deserves, I realized that the cons far outweighed the pros - any loser with enough time on his hands to sue local bars and clubs for bogus sexual discrimination claims would clearly have no problem suing me for assault (and I suspect I have much deeper pockets than “coach 9-step Horndog”.) As I pointed out to Steve, its better for him to keeop his mouth shut and have people think he’s a fool than open it and remove all doubt…
-Dan
January 10th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
What was this club thinking when it held a promotion threatening to charge customers different prices based on sex? What’s next, Christians’ Night? Whites Night? Heterosexual Nights? It’s about time someone in Colorado did something about such boorish behavior. What took y’all so long?
January 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Thanks, James, for referring me over here.
As a woman, I don’t feel as if Ladies’ Night either patronises me (by assuming that I can’t buy my own drinks) or gives me an unfair entitlement. It is a simple swap of goods for my services - i.e. presence at a bar that would otherwise be full of men. The benefit to both genders is obvious: men get to meet women, and women feel safer, not being in an overwhelmingly male environment.
If a bar thus benefits from my presence, I want to be compensated for my time.
Most women I know do not go to bars to get drunk, nor will they drink all they can afford. I am not seeing why men “need” women to have free drinks in order to get some… wouldn’t the guys simply buy them a drink if need be?
Reduced-price drinks is such a silly example of discrimination that I can’t get worked up about it, and cannot help but laugh at anyone who does. There are egregious examples of anti-male discrimination (custody cases come immediately to mind) - and those have repercussions not just for the men, but for our entire society.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Steve, get a life. Seriously.
March 15th, 2007 at 1:06 pm
Just for the record,Dan, you publicly said nasty,slanderous things about me in regards to my patriotic stand against ladies’night so,since you were listed in the phone book and because you apparently lacked the guts to talk to me personnally, I phoned you.It was you who challenged me to a fight and you were stunned when I took you up on it. You gave me all sorts of excuses then as to why you refused to meet me,but in the end,you were all talk and no action;coward. Steve Horner(stevehornerbooks.com)
March 19th, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Just for the record, in case you want to stop by and give Steve your personal opinion, the publicly available contact info for Steve Horner is:
8330 E. Quincy Avenue, A307
Denver, Colorado 80237
303-721-6281
steve@stevehornerbooks.com
March 28th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Ouch! Poor widdle Stevie, with his Underoos in a bunch over such a noble cause as Ladies’ Night …
..you guys didn’t get it right about the image widdle Stevie Horner projects.
Much less the cranky old man on the corner, much more like this: Milhouse’s Dad (from “The Simpsons”, living in that shacky sad divorced dad apartment complex. L-O-S-E-R!
March 28th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Nice comparison Clone. You’re right - Steve Horner is Kirk Van Houten to the letter.
November 9th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
In 1993 he made local headlines after filing a complaint with the Minnesota Human Rights Department, claiming establishments that sponsored “Ladies’ Nights” were committing gender discrimination. Two years later, the practice of offering free admission or lower drink prices to female bar patrons was banned. The publicity soothed his restless search for meaning like a tab of Prozac. Horner was hooked–a heavyweight champ oiled up for his next fight.
In February 1996, he filed a human rights complaint against Hooters Restaurant at the Mall of America after the manager refused to hire him as a waiter. When Dolores Fridge, then-deputy commissioner of the Human Rights Department, didn’t respond favorably to the complaint, Horner began a campaign of harassment against her on the phone. “I was just trying to incite her to enforce the law,” he says in his own defense. The Ramsey County District Court didn’t see it that way, and Horner ended up with a 30-day sentence on three gross misdemeanors and one count of harassment. “The lawyer I hired wasn’t worth a damn,” Horner proclaims. “She just fell into line with the dyke prosecutor, who was nothing more than a bitch with balls.”
WOW…what a guy;)
November 18th, 2007 at 9:51 pm
I have got to say… I read thru all of Steve’s comments… this guy is a huge tool. All he does is repeat the same crap over and over. I love it that if you think what he is doing against LADIES NIGHT… then you are PUSSY WHIPPED. That’s all he ever says. This man is beyond crazy. Trust me. I know. I spoke with this guy and he is so full of hate. On top of that… this lunatic continues to want to FIGHT everyone. Who does this OLD MAN think he is? What’s scary about all of this is the fact that some judge felt that HE WAS CORRECT in his complaint against the LADIES NIGHT. This lunatic actually compares his fight to the fight of ROSA PARKS etc… WHAT?!?
Here’s something for Steve… he repeatedly has said that the LADIES NIGHTS are for women who feel entitled to special favors. WHAT? I have never heard of any women’s groups that are chanting, screaming that they need or want a ladies night. This is totally a marketing promotion and he knows this.
This guy is an old, irrelevant lonely guy who is only into this CRUSADE for the money. That’s it.
November 22nd, 2007 at 2:34 pm
Thanks for the note CROW. Lunatic is an understatement. He posted some of his elegant prose on my follow up as well.
September 6th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
OK steve your crazy. ladies night is used as a promotional tool they do not mean harm to anyone by it. And to be honest with you my guess is you never had a lady to take to ladies night and now this is your way of dealing with but dude for real thats what they make mental hospitals for. Is black history month discriminating against everyone thats not black, is a seniors discount discriminating against anyone that isn’t old. Man they are places where you draw the limit and I’m sorry if you were not lucky with the ladies but thats not our fought. I mean you crazy no girls like crazy guys so like i said maybe you need a little help in the head.